#521Hot Special – Melanie Peterson Outdoors – Cape Buffalo

Hot Special - Melanie Peterson Outdoors - Cape Buffalo

Melanie Peterson Outdoors

we’re going to go to South Africa. “South Africa?” Yeah, with David Freeburn of Dave Freeburn Safaris. And we’re going to join Melanie Peterson, http://bit.ly/2O6Sv8z in a park in Pinedale, Wyoming. And we’re headed down to Oregon, or over to Oregon since I’m in Colorado, with Marc LeQuieu, https://www.axialprecision.com/. And we have a unique story to share because Melanie is going to first share about winning the Extreme Huntress contest for 2018, and then it’s going to lead to a conversation she had with Dave Freeburn of Dave Freeburn Safaris, https://www.davefreeburn.com/ . And then they had ended up in Cape Town, or Joberg, I don’t know where she flew into. Anyway, and then hunted South Africa for Cape buffalo with an air rifle.

Melanie hunted South Africa for Cape Buffalo with an air rifle.

Melanie, welcome to the show. Marc, welcome to the show. And, Dave, welcome to the show.

Thank you, Bruce.

Thanks for having us, Bruce.

You’re up, Melanie.

Well, I may get rained on in this interview, but we’re going to…I won’t melt, I promise. So, yeah, I won the Extreme Huntress competition for the 2018 season and it’s actually getting underway to select a 2019 winner here in another week or so. But I wanted to do something with the title that made a difference, made some impact. And I met both these crazy guys over the course of my journey at various SCI shows, and in visiting with Dave I decided I wanted to shoot a Cape buffalo with an air rifle, which has never been done before.

And I think I got the raised eyebrow look for a little while, and he required us to prove to him that it could really be done. To be quite honest, I haven’t picked up an air rifle in probably 25 years and it was a BB gun. But they’re not your father’s BB guns anymore, they’re big-bore air rifles, serious weapons. And through a lot of testing and a lot of hard work on my outfitter’s part, Dave was able to secure a permit from South Africa and off we went.

So, Dave, what did you think when Melanie came up to you and suggested this at Dallas Safari Club?

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Dave Freeburn Safaris

Yeah, well, at first, you know, she’s a very convincing lady. And we had a chat about it and I didn’t think she was very serious in the beginning, and then she came past the booth the next day and said, “Listen,” this is really something she wants to do. And I said, “Wow, okay.” I had to check the legality on everything and…as far as it was legal and we could secure a permit. It was all guns blazing. And I did have some reservations of the penetration, the distance we needed to be within close range, proximity, of the buffalo. But with buffalo hunting it’s usually close quarters anyway.

So I think putting all those facts together, it was something that kind of intrigued me, but I did have some reservation. And she did have to prove a little bit, Marc that developed the bullet. And, you know, once they sent me all the literature regarding that I needed to secure the permit, it was…yeah, it was something to look forward to and something…you know, to do something that no one else has done excited all of us.

So before we get into the hunt, Marc, let’s go back on the technical side of it because everybody thinks of, you know, a Daisy air rifle or a Crosman air rifle. You know, and you’re going after a buffalo which weighs 1,800 pounds or so and is part of the big five, correct, Dave?

Correct, yeah. And is mean as hell. You know, there’s the old saying that when a buffalo hits the ground he’s angry. So it’s not an animal that most people think of hunting their first animal in Africa, that’s for sure.

Yeah. And this process, you know, is one of those things, again, we didn’t take lightly. Melanie, when she talked to me at the SCI show, you know, about what she was going through to set this up and how she had it kind of programmed in her mind of what she wanted to happen, not hunting it from just a ground blind but actually getting out on the ground with the animals, doing the spot and stalk, I knew she was serious about what she was talking about. Because she’d already done a lot of the background homework even by the time I spoke to her, which couldn’t have been but maybe a couple weeks after Dave and Melanie tied in together.

And so when she brought the idea to me, we had the discussion about what type of air rifle, how we were going to do this, the technology, where it’s come, what we were looking for for energy-wise. And then I didn’t feel that there was a bullet on the market that really was designed to do this, a low-velocity, dangerous game round for even pistols, muzzleloaders. I just didn’t feel like anybody had addressed that issue.

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And so when she talked to me, it just seemed like a perfect release for an idea that I had been working on for the past… Well, I hadn’t been working on it, I’d had it drawn up for the past 15 years, but no real reason to develop it. And so when she said she was going to kill a Cape buffalo with an air rifle, I knew the velocity would be around 1,000 feet per second and I knew, with my past being a professional hunter, what it would take to kill a buffalo with, you know, a projectile that was moving at that velocity.

And so we went ahead and developed what we call the warhead bullet, which is a break from traditional bullet designs. It has a lead jacket and a solid core. So instead of your traditional bullet being a jacketed soft point with a copper jacket and a led core, we’ve moved things around and we’ve gone lead on the outside to engrave the rifling at low velocities and to maintain that speed that we want. And then we went with a brass core for the round and we hot-pour the lead around that.

And so that gives us a bullet that’s somewhat homogeneous in its behavior, but it maintains a very sharp cutting ring around the nose. As we machine the cores we build in a ring in the front end, and I’ll show you on here in just a little bit, that will cut and keep a wound channel open. And I knew that we needed that because animals in Africa have a really innate ability to shut down large arterial bleeds in different ways by constricting those and we needed a permanent wound channel that would allow that animal to expire quickly and efficiently.

Plus they’re heavier bone. Correct?

They are. Yeah. I’m going to just sneak off here and grab one of our cores.

So this testing required… I’ve never hunted South Africa before, this was my very first trip, and I’ve obviously never saw the Cape buffalo before. So I was asking lots of questions of Dave, I’m like, “Hey, what kind of penetration do we need to get? You know, how thick is the skin? How thick is the bone structure?”

And so we actually set up a mock buffalo hunt in my backyard in Texas. And I went down to Tandy Leather and I got several pieces of quarter-inch-thick hide and we basically created a two-inch thick skin on top of a three-quarter-inch plywood Cape buffalo, we backed it with two inches of solid oak, and then we shot through 16 inches of ballistic gel. And we set up at 50 yards, which was always going to be our target distance, and just to see what these bullets would do. And it not only went clean through everything, it actually shot out the back of the 16 inches of ballistic gel.

So it blew out the ballistic gel, that’s what you’re telling me?

Yes, yes, all the way through.

And how big was the wound channel?

The wound channel is more of a projectile. I mean the bullet itself is probably… What is that? What do you think that is?

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Marc and Melanie

It’s .457. So the wound channel that is permanently created, you can see the ring there, if I can hold this thing steady. You can see how next to that cut, that little tip that protrudes, there’s a ring right on the edge. And we machine that into the brass cores so that that is the diameter of a permanent plug that comes out of the animal. So as that goes through the first layer of hide and bone and whatnot it actually disrupts and cuts at least that out of the way.

Now this is just a core, this doesn’t have the lead around the core that we would have on a finished product, but this is what creates the permanency in the wound channel, is just that little simple ring right there. That’s what allows the fat to not congeal or the tissue to not shrink back up. Like on a round-nose bullet the bullet pushes through and the tissue immediately closes around behind it. And so we wanted to make sure that that was a permanent hole that we created, and so that’s the core of the warhead bullet right there.

Amazing. And you said around 1,000 feet per second, at the most?

Yeah. Our target goal was 950 feet per second. We had Terry Tate from Professional Big Bore Air build us a rifle. He’s had 25 years of experience in the airgun industry building, tinkering, hobbying, and it’s just a passion of his. And when we discovered him kind of with the other…there’s about seven other, you know, custom makers that we looked at, Terry was just…the simplicity of his rifle is such that it allows for international travel a lot more easily than some other gas guns.

And so his gun is just a very simple mechanism. He has kind of a bolt-action loading port just, you know, that you would recognize from a traditional bolt-action rifle. And he has a cocking lever on the other side which charges the hammer, this is what compresses the spring and the hammer goes forward and allows the gas port to open so that gas comes in behind the round and down the chamber.

And so these air rifles are not what we would typically find, you know, in any store, they’re not horribly expensive for custom guns. Terry’s guns start at between $1,500 and $1,800. And Melanie is going to be having a Melanie Peterson line of rifle that’s to our specification for people to hunt internationally with. And you can prime this gun with just a hand pump, you do not have to take all the other accoutrements that goes with the typical big-bore air rifle. You don’t…we discovered…

You know, this was a learning process for Melanie and myself and Dave. And we took a lot of extra gear in the advent that we needed it, we took compressors, bottles, tanks, lines, everything. But what we’ve come down to after this experience is the ability to field a rifle and a hand pump that a person can take into the field and go international with just a gun case. It’s so much simpler to do it this way then to pack all the other items that you might need. And that’s why Terry’s gun was kind of our choice, it just…it fit our bill for simplicity and power.

You have no idea…

So where’s your reservoir? Go ahead, Melanie.

I said you have no idea how bad I want to insert the little videotape of Dave air pumping that rifle up to 4,000 PSI.

It take about 75 to 100 good strokes on that hand pump to get this up to 45. But you can see his rifles have a little air gauge, and then the chamber, the air chamber, is the lower of the two cylinders, with the barrel being free-floated up above.

And so…and of course Melanie has a great camo pattern that I was a little dubious of until I saw it. And this camo pattern is kind of a take off of a leopard print and what appears to be a zebra combo, and it is absolutely perfect for hunting Africa. It was really shocking, I was like, “Wow, that’s not going to work,” and it works perfectly.

Did you create that, Melanie?

Yes, I did.

She did.

Did you create that pattern?

Yes, I did. I’m ashamed to say that I actually took pictures of clothing that I had in my closet.

I’m not kidding you, if you set this down in the bush, you won’t find it again, it just disappears. And it’s really quite handsome, the way it turned out, I was…I love it. And so this is the gun we used, this is the .457 Professional Big Bore rifle from Terry Tate https://www.airgunproshop.com/shop/pbba-pro-air-rifle-308-357-457/. And you can see he’s just a phenomenal craftsman, his fit and finish is exceptional. We’ve been working with him in hopes that he will produce a double rifle that he has been working on for the last few years. And so we’re looking forward to pushing him kind of into the future with a new double dangerous game rifle. Air rifle.

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.457 Professional Big Bore rifle from Terry Tate

Air rifle. All right, let’s get back to the hunt. So, Dave, Melanie shows up, how does she do on the range when she sights in, you know, after getting off the jet and everything and you want to…you know, you’ve seen the videos and everything, but now, you know, it’s go time. So how did she do, you know, from the get-go?

Well, you know, taking the rifle to the range, obviously very skeptical, still hadn’t seen the finished product in the field. Once everything was pumped up and ready to go and we got the gun sighted in on the range, I was actually very impressed with the impact that we could see on the actual target at about 50 yards. It gave me a lot of confidence. Her accuracy sighting in the gun also gave me a lot of confidence, her, you know, willingness to take instruction when needed was putting the package together, a good package, that we would be safe doing this buffalo hunt, of course, was also a concern. Having Marc in the background, also the second PH, knowing that we’ve got two camera crews, Melanie, trackers, and myself, safety was key.

So we didn’t go into the bush just blindly thinking that this was all going to be easy. So once the gun and Melanie sighting in and everything was to my satisfaction, we headed off into the field to see if we could find ourselves a Cape buffalo.

So tell me about the first mock stalk, if you will.

Well, the first idea was actually to shoot maybe a smaller species, like a blue wildebeest or an impala

Well, the first idea was actually to shoot maybe a smaller species, like a blue wildebeest or an impala, just to get ourselves, you know, accustomed to the stalk with eight people in the bush. But being Africa and very unpredictable, on our very first morning at 8:00 we bumped a herd of about 17, 18 bull. Glassing the herd we could see, or I could see with the tracker as well, and Marc’s help, that we had possibly good shooter bulls in there. They were leading the herd feeding towards us. But I don’t know what happened, the wind changed or something, something happened, but the herd actually started running towards us, something spooked them. And that was about 200 yards. And I said to Melanie, I said, “Well, this is going to happen a lot quicker than I thought it would.”

And the herd ran towards us. The younger bulls split off to the right and we had the two dominant or main bulls just come, you know, charging up the road.

Fright training.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, the two track, they weren’t paying much attention to the two track that we had snuck down either, they had come crashing through the bushes. I mean the terrain that we were dealing with, just to give you a little bit of a picture, they’d had…in South Africa they’d had a huge rain season and it was late. And so the bush was as thick as I had ever seen it in 20-plus years of doing this, I had never seen the bush as healthy and as vibrant as when we were there.

And so these things are coming through just thorn thicket material. And we’re sneaking down kind of an open two track area that had been overgrown and here these things are moving through the bush, it’s not like they were giving Melanie any grace. I mean they were coming through a thorn thicket that we had to go through later on as we were doing some tracking and it would take people, you know, a few minutes to get around some of these thickets. And these bulls were just pushing through, I mean they were intent on getting as close to us as possible, which was really exciting.

Very close.

Yeah.

Yeah.

 Define “very close.”

Well, what happened there is that while they were coming through the thicket, and snorting and bellowing… The black brush there as we call it, very similar to what you guys [, you can see through the bush, but you can’t actually see what’s going on there. You could see the outline of the buffalo. But literally I think it was maybe 10 to 15 yards at the most these bulls stopped and kept on snorting, snorting, snorting at us. And, you know, I had Melanie up on the sticks at this stage, Marc was to the left of me, I was on the right trying to see which bull would be the better one to shoot. And I said to her, “Listen, you better get ready. And if something happens, it’s going to happen at 15 yards.”

Yeah, so Dave is sitting there on his backside with binoculars up and his double is kind of braced against him. And we all try and keep our guns really close in events like this. PHs, you never give your gun to somebody, you never hand it to another person, it’s just always right there. And Melanie turns and she looks back at me over her left shoulder, and then she looks over at Dave, and she looks back at me like, “Why doesn’t he have his gun in his hands?” And I was sitting there kind of chuckling to myself because we do kind of take it for granted, as professional hunters we see these things play out more times than our clients. And Melanie was like, “Tell him to get his gun up.” And Dave is just kind of picking out a trophy, that’s what we do, our focus is trying to pick out the best scenario.

That was definitely…that was the PG version of what I really said.

I was trying to be politically correct.

He was trying to be kind.

Yeah. She might have said some things to Dave that were a little more motivational than [Inaudible 00:19:47], but Dave was just as calm as could be and he’s like, “Okay, if he steps out, you’re going to have to shoot him.” Because, of course, at that point, 10 yards away, there wasn’t going to be a choice. I mean if this bull had chosen to come around the last remaining few vestiges of vegetation, Melanie would have had to shoot him. I mean that’s just how you have to start, you can’t script some of these things. And no matter how good Dave is, he can’t make bulls do exactly what we want them to do.

And so just, listeners, so there’s a 1,800-pound bull 10 yards away, we have an air rifle that’s been, you know, tricked out and it’s quite capable of doing the job. And, Marc, what did you have in your hand as a PH on the left side?

You know, being that I was one of the last Americans in Botswana to get his professional hunting license, I used to carry, and it was very indicative of me with my clients, an 1886 .45-90 lever-action rifle. That was and has been my backup rifle. And so I took the old girl out of retirement and brought her back into South Africa. And I shoot a 450-grain bullet at around 2,000 feet per second. It doesn’t quite compare to Dave’s .500 Nitro. Dave’s .500 is one of those “pick an animal up and throw it to the ground” guns, mine is more of a “stop right there, try not to come any closer” guns. So it was a good combination to have.

That .500 Nitro is the sexiest rifle on the planet.

I’m not kidding you, Verney-Carron, I mean, is giving Holland & Holland a real run for their money. Verney does great work and that .500 balances perfectly, it’s really a nice gun. And he…you know, that company puts together some good products that we really appreciate. The innate beauty of the wood to metal fit and finish and how he balances the weapons, it’s impressive.

So for the people that don’t know, Dave, tell the listeners who shoot, you know, .30-06s or .30-30s, whitetails that weight maybe 200 pounds, maybe more, maybe less. And so tell us about the sexy side-by-side.

Well, you know, every professional hunter dreams to carry a double rifle. It took a few years to save up some money and I got this gun custom made by Verney-Caron, https://www.verney-carron.com/ about four years ago, special engraving, a perfect fit for me. And my original caliber that I wanted was a .470. But being a man and a little persuasion from the gun company themselves, I upgraded to a .500 Nitro Express.Hot Special - Melanie Peterson Outdoors - Cape Buffalo

And so that’s a 500-grain bullet, is that correct?

It’s actually 565 grains that Dave drives, or 575 is about as heavy as they go. And it drives them at about 2,200 feet per second. And so we were shooting an air rifle, to kind of bring this back around, with a 385-grain bullet at around 950 feet per second. And so it’s about half of what the .500 does, comparably speaking. But the energy levels and how you deal with airguns, airguns don’t…we don’t operate their power levels, you know, based off of feet per second, they calculate it based on foot pounds of energy. And what we’re looking for in big game rifles that are air-driven is energy levels about 750 foot pounds of energy. And that seems to be the ticket for breaking bone, deep penetration, and really getting, you know, moose, elk, bison, buffalo, bear down on the ground effectively.

So when your bullet hits, what’s it hitting the Cape buffalo, or any animal, Dave?

So Dave’s .500… Yeah, Dave’s .500 produces around 5,000 foot pounds of energy, but his velocity, you can see that correlation. The velocity, really as you’re velocity goes up, your energy level goes up dramatically. So at 1,000 foot pounds a similar kind of bullet from an air rifle is only producing about a fifth or so of the power. And I think we lost Melanie.

The nice thing about…

The nice thing about a .500, the nice thing about Dave’s .500, of course, is that security. I mean at touching distance, which is what professional hunters typically wait for, we don’t like shooting our own guns because they’re expensive. And so at touching distances his .500 is one of those things that just slams animals to the ground, and that’s what a proper backup rifle needs to do.

He let me shoot his rifle once, well, actually I shot it twice, but once was enough. I actually have a video, the damn thing nearly knocked me over.

Yeah, the .500 will physically make you take a step backwards, unless you’re used to shooting it.

Yeah, no, I took a step.

Yeah. It’s one of those things where you do have to catch it, I mean it’s coming to you. That rifle at 15 pounds is still motivating you to more your body in a rearward direction.

Oh my goodness. So, Marc, I think you have a picture of Melanie with her buffalo?

I do.

That you want to share.

I have a picture of her. And I’ll go ahead and pop it up on the screen here, I’ll do my best to. There you go.

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See, if you give him a task, then he doesn’t talk so much.

Yeah, I know, I have a hard time shutting up, so you’re going to have to tell me to do that every now and then, Bruce.

Okay. So screen share? If you want to hit it.

Is it not up? It’s up on mine.

It’s not up.

You have disappeared.

Yeah, you disappeared.

I did the same…I thought I did the same thing. Obviously technology and I are enjoying…

There you go.

There you go.

Okay, it came up that time.

Okay, but we don’t…

There you go. Thank you very much. Melanie, let’s talk about this. Yeah, what’s the sensation there? And we did a part one segment, folks, about the why of hunting. So what are you thinking about? You’ve been around hunting all your life and with an outfitting camp in Wyoming and now you’re with one of the big five.

So I got to tell, and just moments probably after this picture was taken I literally had tears because it was just…it was a moment that there was a culmination of all of the planning and the testing and the, “Are we going to get a permit, are we not going to get a permit? Is this going to work, is it not going to work?” It was just such an emotional sense of relief that I literally was teary in the picture.

Yeah, I’m just looking at that. And, folks, you read Chadwick or Ruark, or some of the people that went to Africa, you know, back in the day of tents. And they still have tents, but anyway. You think about that, and then Melanie just put herself back in time, but she brought technology with her. And that’s what that picture speaks to me. It’s a lady that went back in time to do the hunt, but brought technology of today. And I’m going to segue into their new business, Melanie Peterson Outdoors. So how does this all work? Just leave that picture up, Marc. And, Melanie, just share with us about Melanie Peterson Outdoors.

Well, after I won the… I’ve been a guide, you know, for 25 years, but after I won that title I wanted to do something extraordinary. I wanted to do something that was going to promote not only women in the industry, but I also wanted to give hunting a fast-forward. And when I started looking into these airguns, I thought, “You know what? Little tiny kids, seven, eight, nine years old, they can carry these airguns. And what a fantastic opportunity to introduce somebody to this sport that we all love so much with a seemingly harmless air rifle.” It just is almost like a baby step into what we’re hoping is going to be a lifelong passion for these people.

I wanted to make a difference. And so doing this was…I’ve heard it’s a publicity stunt, it was just all for show and that there was no purpose behind it. But I wanted it to be with purpose and I wanted it to be ethical. And I think that if anybody really knew the countless hours that all of us spent proving that this can be down before a shot was ever fired at an animal, I think that they would see that it wasn’t something that was just done haphazardly and a stupid idea. Now there was moments in my hunt that I thought this was a really stupid idea. I was scared. I mean you’re talking about unproven technology there. I’m not going to lie, I was scared.

Yes, so the emotional release when it was done and it was successful and the weapon performed exactly the way it should, the animal died humanely, and I just really feel that it was a success all around. And I’m hoping that this really kick-starts a whole new generation of hunters.

Dave, your thoughts as a PH and as an outfitter?

:Well, first off, yeah. I mean to do this and think about it as Melanie did it  You know, that’s the main thing for me as an outfitter, to make sure we all walked away from this. And shooting buffalo, I’ve got no reservations in terms of shooting any plains game with a big-bore rifle like that. It’s definitely sufficient. I think key to this whole success story was the planning and the hours that we put into this. And coming together, myself, Marc, and Melanie, proved the winning team.

And, yeah, what can I say about the rifle? The rifle impressed me. It met my expectations and more. So there’s definitely a future for it. I think the more people we can expose to big-bore air rifle hunting, the better and the bigger it will get.

Marc, why don’t you come back and join us as part of Melanie Peterson Outdoors and give us your two cents?

Well, you know, I had some of those same reservations. What’s that?

I said just two.

I had my reservations. Melanie and I talked, Dave and I talked

My two cents. Two cents, right, okay. So two cents. I had my reservations. Melanie and I talked, Dave and I talked, we built a bullet, gun worked perfect. Everything really was what I was hoping for on this hunt. And I do believe that there is a place for this, especially for people who like the challenges of bowhunting, the closeness that you have to be, but they might not be able to do that with a traditional bow because of the weight restrictions drawing those things. And then crossbows of course have unique limitations, as well.

So this technology does allow a very unique opportunity for people to pursue. And I’m impressed by it, I really am. I’ve been following this technology for 15 years and we’re at a point where it’s going to go mainstream, this is going to be big.

Just touching on that, like you say, Marc. You know, the technology is there that it’s not like a bow, we didn’t sit at a waterhole or over bait or anything like that. This was a traditional walk and stalk buffalo hunt. And that was the main key that intrigued me, is that we could get to 50 yards, or 50 or 60 yards, and still be comfortable enough to make sure that we can shoot this buffalo humanely and safely.

So it’s not…I don’t want to compare it exactly to bowhunting, but there is a similarity. But, yeah, it’s something that I wish we could get those guns over here and I think there’s a big market in South Africa and Africa for these big-bore air rifles.

We’re working on it right now.

We are.

Well, and, Dave, you said that you had to get a permit, so you had to go through the whole process in South Africa to take it with that rifle.

Well, first off, it was the first concern was to get a rifle permit. You know, traveling, Marc had a lot of admin on the British Airways side. I had a lot of admin on the South African imports here to make sure that when these guys all arrive with this gun that’s got valves and Guppy tanks and compressors, that they don’t think we’re bringing in the next world war here.

So that was the first hurdle that we had to get through, which wasn’t as difficult as we thought it would be. We brought it in and the rifle permits were approved. And then the second was making sure that Nature Conservation and [Inaudible 00:34:16] was happy with the penetration and the foot-pound energy and obviously the muzzle velocity, as well as the grain on the bullet, all falls in line with what the norms and standard is for the Nature Conservation side.

And with that, we’ve all seen the picture and we had a very successful hunt. And, Melanie, where do you go from here?

What’s the next challenge?

Well, we’re actually…we’re looking at perfecting this air rifle. I’m not going to say that there wasn’t, you know, a few hiccups along the way dealing with, you know, air. But we’re perfecting the rifle, we’re actually trying to open some doors to be able to bring air rifles and actually have air rifles over in South Africa so that we don’t have to travel back and forth with them. But I think there’s a whole new world of technology available, too. I mean we need to work on scopes, we need to work on some more ammunition. There’s a lot of doors that can be opened with this brand new, I don’t know what you would call it, I guess a brand new segment to the hunting industry. We’ve got crossbows, we’ve got compound bows, we’ve got long-range rifles, and now we’ve got big-bore air rifles.

Well, I’m sitting here, and especially for women, I don’t want to shoot a .500 Nitro. My .375 Ruger is fun enough. And, but you think about that, there’s absolutely, I don’t think, any kick, the sound goes away, it goes “psst” or “poof” or whatever. So you don’t have a kick and you have some sort of escaping gases, but there’s no bang because there’s no explosion, so to speak. You know, so what a wonderful journey you’re on. And we’re going to wrap the show up, ladies and gentlemen. Tell people how to get in touch with you or reach out to you, send an e-mail. How do you want people to reach out to you?

Well, I have a Facebook page, Melanie Peterson Outdoors, https://www.facebook.com/melaniepetersonoutdoors/. And you’ll actually get to see the video of my hunt, I think it will be live next week, and we will showcase that on Melanie Peterson Outdoors first. But you’ll actually get to see the play-by-play and you’ll get to feel the excitement just as we’ve told you about here on this show today. Dave, why don’t you go ahead and tell everybody how to get ahold of you to book a hunt?

Yeah, I’m on Facebook and Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/davefreeburnsafaris/ Dave Freeburn Safaris, https://www.facebook.com/Dave-Freeburn-Safaris-128162297200950/ and web page is davefreeburn.com.

And Marc?

Well, Marc and I are at Melanie Peterson Outdoors, https://www.facebook.com/melaniepetersonoutdoors/ and we do have a website that will be up next week, as well.

Yeah, it’s been our…kind of our primary source of communication is through the social media because we’re doing kind of our experiment on seeing how well social media promotes in and of itself. And that’s the best way to contact us right now, messaging. You know, you can easily get a hold of us, you’ll see we respond within less than 24 hours most of the time. And any questions that people have you can also…we have collaborators, you know, with Lethal Air and some of the other guys that I’m going to talk to Dave a little bit about here in the near future. Because, like Melanie said, we’re trying to get some collaboration so that we have a mixed bag of air rifles to select from over in South Africa for not only our clients, but for other clients that want to hunt with Dave and to make sure that he has access to some of the best equipment that’s geared up to do exactly what needs to be done over there.

And Dave is working really closely with another gentleman, he’s an outfitter there, also, Choice Africa. They’re trying to change some legislation within South Africa right now to kind of expand our opportunities. My dream is to actually have all of the big five with an air rifle.

Well, I hope you’re given the opportunity, I look forward to reporting and showing those hunts and possibly joining you, you know, over there on one of those hunts, that would be a neat thing for me, that’s for sure.

So any last words? And then we’re going to wrap the show.

Melanie: I just appreciate…

We just need to make sure we… Oh, sorry. We just need to make sure we get you behind one of these guns very soon.

Absolutely.

Dave?

Yeah, no, thanks for the opportunity. And, Bruce, like everyone says, once you’re behind that gun, you know, Africa is waiting.

Yes, it is. Melanie?

Bruce, you’ve been supportive of me through this entire process and appreciate your support for the Extreme Huntress

Thank you so much, again, for having me, Bruce, you’ve been supportive of me through this entire process and appreciate your support for the Extreme Huntress and I look forward to working with you for years to come.

Amen to that, lady. And with that, folks, this is Bruce Hutcheon, your host of Whitetail Rendezvous, saying this has been a little bit different podcast, but this is the future of hunting and there’s people out there that are innovating on all aspects of our hunting community. And with women being the fastest growing segment in the hunting community, it’s people like Melanie and Marc and Dave that are opening up chapters that just a few years ago or maybe months ago weren’t available for women. And so with that we’ll say good afternoon from Bruce Hutcheon.


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